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quick but relevant doodle

Objection! Please take a look at these two excerpts from the "Monkey Head" script and the "Church" script. Both clearly refer to the monkey as Jojo! EXCERPT FROM THE MONKEY HEAD SCRIPT: (...) script jojo-open-gate { cut-scene { class-of nose-up is UNTOUCHABLE sleep-for 1 second stop-script jojo-follow walk selected-actor to 699,126 walk jojo to-object nose-up wait-for-actor selected-actor do-animation selected-actor turn-left break-here 2 wait-for-actor jojo (...) EXCERPT FROM THE CHURCH SCRIPT: (...) do-animation jojo turn-seductively-around break-here 11 sleep-for 1 second do-animation jojo eat-bouquet break-here 26 sleep-for 1 second do-animation jojo disrobe break-here 8 draw-object wedding-dress do-animation jojo jump-up-and-down sleep-for 1 second say-line selected-actor "What?" (...) How can Jojo hang at the totem and be in the church at the same time?

"Most pirates call it Hell." The Secret of Monkey Island is that you need at least one Jojo to access the hellgate. Jojos are the true key to the hellgate. Jojos scattered at key points to tear the fabric itself. Jojos to unlock, channel, and animate the living hell-golem of metal and steam. A horde of Jojo slaves operating the hellgate as itcturns living souls to undead skeletons, some Jojos periodically visible in the upper right window (only a tail is in this image). Jojos to open the gateway to crossroads, connecting the planes of reality and making possible the shattering of that barrier with fantasy. Jojos. Are. The. Key. To. Hell. Now. Can we just get confirmation that, apart from Murray, these other skulls are from monkeys named Jojo?

If that happened, Your Honor, then Guybrush Threepwood is cleared of yet another civil charge.

It is also entirely possible for Jojo to have gone to Melee with Elaine and then traveled back to Monkey to hang from the totem pole. This is just science, people.

That is very unlikely! According to animalnames.org the name Jojo is not am common name at all! It doesn't appear in their list of 159 Pet Monkey Names.

What a great platform! Where else could you discuss whether monkey arms or heads count or try to find proofs if two pixel monkeys are the same or not. 🥰

For those who for some uncouth reason claims Smirk's monkey isn't real, I give you... It's the same monkey. Same. Monkey.

Let's look at Tales. Our money shot is the cutscene in Chapter 3, depicting Elaine and LeChuck delivering monkeys. ::cracks knuckles:: Image A One, two, three. LeChuck responds: "Dozens. Seven more islands and one peninsula should suffice." Note that this indicate a minimum of 24 monkeys left, possibly more. But we're only counting on screen appearances. Let's continue. Image B Four. Image C Five. This guy fires the cannon and is thrown backwards, overboard. Image D Six, seven. Image E Eight. Elaine gets poxxed and responds: "The chimps can roast on an open flame for all I care!" Reaction shots: Image F Nine, ten. (Don't miss the hand beneath the grating!) Image G Eleven, twelve. Image H Thirteen, fourteen. Image I Fifteen. We then get a shot of LeChuck and Elaine facing the sea, surrounded by monkeys. HOWEVER! Several of these monkeys are suggested to be the same as before. The one on LeChuck's hat (from Image B), the two with swords (from Image D) and the one climbing back on board (from Image C) are most likely monkeys seen earlier. Here's the shot: Images J and K: I don't think we can count these as brand new monkeys. But we can compare the count! The scenes leading up to this show about 15 monkeys total, if none of them were repeated. The final scene shows the group together with... 11 monkeys total. So we have a discrepancy. Let's reconcile them. Out of the 15, there are 3 under a grate. They would therefore not be on deck in the final scene. With the new on-deck comparison being 12 seen throughout versus 11 seen in the final shot, I now infer that 11 is the correct on-deck number, and that one of the monkeys has been repeated between Images A, E, F, G, and I. 11 monkeys seen above deck, and 3 monkeys seen below. This totals 14 monkeys depicted in the cutscene. Add Jacques the monkey for a conservative estimate of FIFTEEN MONKEYS MINIMUM DEPICTED ONSCREEN during Tales. Or TWELVE MONKEYS, if we are only counting monkey HEADS and exclude the ones in the hold. The number gets larger if you treat the ceremony monkey in Chapter 1 and the portal beacon monkeys in Chapter 5 as separate monkeys, which is entirely possible because Elaine and LeChuck had already been dropping off monkeys before this cutscene began. Revenge: 3-5 monkeys *Secret: 4-5 monkeys (6-7 monkey heads) Tales: ~15 monkeys (~12 monkey heads) Curse: Infinite-low monkeys Escape: Infinite-high monkeys *it was pointed out to me on a discord that the MI1 monkey on Monkey Island is different than the similar monkey in the wedding dress, because one has a thicker tail. The hat monkey at Smirk's and the dress may or may not be the same. EDIT: For Curse, if someone wants to assume the monkey(s) in LeChuck's monologue is a single monkey that goes on and offscreen, you could do a count from the others seen on Plunder Island I suppose!

I have failed myself and brought shame to the Mojo community...I thought it was MI1 too.

@Vainamoinen : „Oh, you love Monkey Island? Name all the Monkeys.“ Mojo Community:

Not if you trust the back of the Escape From Monkey Island box. Though for whatever reason, the promise of "more monkeys than the three previous Monkey games combined!" was toned down for the PlayStation 2 version.

Luckily, they are preserved and you can download the original versions of the games.

But the TAILS! The Tails of Monkey Island!

This thread feels like a sequel to the Alley one.

Superficially yes, but if you get so angry about a changed voice actor in the - no offense - "high art" that is a Sam & Max game, the problem most likely ran deeper.

I love this thread.

So this panel is bound to be waaaaaaay too cool 😀 Imagine Ron chatting to Roberta about the old "Why Adventure Games Suck" article or with Al about LSL and humor in early games or even asking Jane Jensen why Gabriel Knight has SMI Guybrush hair in the first game? Are there any other Mojo-ers/ees that will be going to see it? I managed to convince the right people that i have to go and managed to buy my Badge/Flight/Hotel today 😀 It will be my first time to Seattle or even to a Con. Definitely a few bucket list points will be checked off on this trip

Lovely topic as usual, but please hide ReMI things in a spoiler box k thx bye!

I'll go one further--have we seen any evidence to this point that Murray was not, prior to his necrofication, a monkey named Jojo? Note that he says, on his introduction in CMI, "You may call me Murray," not "My name is Murray" [emphasis added]. I think it's entirely possible he was attempting to conceal his true place in.....THE CONSPIRACY!!!!

OBJECTION! Half the monkeys I know wear cute little blue hats.

OBJECTION! There are AT LEAST 5 named monkeys in the franchise--Jojo (MI1), unrelated Jojo (MI2), Jojo Jr. (EMI), Timmy (EMI), and Jacques (TMI). The series' JPI (Jojo Percentage Index) has just dropped from 75% to 60%, and I have a feeling it may drop further!

Jojo's Bizzare Adventure.

As a well and truly respected Monkey Island researcher, I would be doing a disservice by not involving myself in this debate, and throwing my nonsensical opinion into the ring. My answer? Escape from Monkey Island. Yeah, I said it. I secretly believe none of the Monkeys are real in that game. Do I have evidence? No. But I have a hunch, and those pay off.

All i know is that out of the 4 named monkeys in the franchise, 3 of them are called jojo

This proves nothing. 90% of monkeys in the caribbean are called jojo

She must have collected them from somewhere at least. It might not be far fetched to think of the monkey cast as an ensemble. Elaine could have collected Smirk's Monkey and the one she found hanging around the great monkey head. And those blue eyes ... maybe we should wait for official word (it's pretty obviously the same monkey in the Special Edition, but by my own rules, the SEs don't count 😬). On that note, @Jake can surely rectify our ailing ToMI monkey count?

We’re ostensibly just counting unique living monkey heads visible on screen though! If the count was “the number referenced in the story,” then Escape probably would have it. And Secret’s count would go way up because of the ship crewed with monkeys.

The first “everyone piles on and tries to destroy it before it shipped” that I remember in gaming was The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, for GameCube. People were INCENSED that they weren’t getting a “realistic” Link, and instead got what they perceived as a cartoon for kids. It’s fun seeing that era come up in discussion now, twenty years later, in places like Reddit comment threads. So many embarrassed now-adults who were teens or kids at the time, saying “well I was extremely wrong and behaved so badly, it turns out that game was a stone cold classic.” Honestly it gives me a tiny bit of hope for all of us, that the “looks more like Celda, not Zelda!” brigade actually grew up and had some hindsight.

Y'all sound a bit like making a lot of assumptions about people who you critisize for making a lot of assumptions.

I don't know if that's exactly the case, it is true that people hating on things wasn't as much of a big deal, but I'm not sure that media would hate things with you. From what I know, EMI and the prequels were generally well received when they came out at the time by media. Sure, people would complain in forums online and (in the Prequels case) maybe make a bit of a fuss in TV and in magazines. The thing that's changed today, and why it has become such a big deal, is that almost everybody today voices their opinions on every small little things that happens ever and thanks to twitter and hashtags and junk it reaches everybody else, so that what were 500 guys in a forum in the 90s, now are literally the whole population of Earth. Magazines and websites latch on to this kind of crap because drama makes numbers and they care more about numbers and sales than actual quality, and they feed the drama train that continues to go until the next thing to complain about comes and then it switches to that. Also, generally speaking, people tended to wait for things to be finished before judging and complaining about it.

… or hundreds of monkeys in two rows that just dance in perfect sync? 🤔

Yep, I think you're right except: So SOMI has: Smirk's machine monkey Giant monkey head monkey Three-headed monkey (ie. x 3) and Elaine's two bride monkeys That's SEVEN.

Another one in MI1 --

I think the ones in the theater are LeChimp's crew, so that would be counting them twice.

Escape has a giant robo monkey, does that give it bonus points? 😆

10 year old me: Monkeys? Shut up and take my (parents) money!!! 20 year old me: A lynchian exploration of human relationships through the perspective of an amateur finding his footing in adult life? Sounds most enjoyable. 30 year old me: Monkeys? Shut up and take my money!!!

The correct answer to the poll doesn't even appear among the poll options. 🧐 The Monkey Island game that has the smallest number of monkey is the demo of "The Secret of Monkey Island" (in "Passport to Adventure"). It has zero monkeys! Unless you find a MI game with a negative number of monkeys, I'll assume I've won. 🤓

Even as a preteen I remember thinking the marketing listing "more monkeys than ever!" as some sort of selling point was really bizarre. Like, did they think that to this point I'd been playing these games because of the monkeys?

On the one hand, I sympathize with wanting to preserve an original product. On the other hand, I shudder a bit that vocal "blackface" is only recently becoming uncomfortable to people. I loved Aladdin for years without reflecting on voicecast in it. So yeah, I get the desire to recast Bosco and Voodoo Lady in remasters when applicable.

I was actually still a kid when it came out, but I've never heard anything bad about it from tv or media in general, they were all over the place on tv and they were always praised. I live in Italy though, so the way media reacted here VS how they reacted there is surely very different. I didn't really live that period of time like many of you probably did, since I didn't start using internet since close to 2007 maybe. I know the backlash by the fans and media was enormous and that it had severe consequences on the lives of Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best, but I do also know that critics received them well (not all, but most) when they first came out and started bashing on them a few years later when the hate from the fans couldn't be ignored anymore and the general consensus was now that they were bad movies. It was the start (or the continuation actually) of what has now become our world. Twitter isn't an echo chamber and it isn't necessarily toxic. I believe twitter to be kind of a reflection of how the world is going in this day, since almost everybody uses it and everybody on it has different opinions (on the same level as people in real life have different opinions, at least). Twitter just made it easier to feed the "drama machine" and to make situations that a couple years ago wouldn't have been a problem, a real pain. This is also a discussion that is WAY off-topic and very difficult to have, because once one goes into it, it starts also being about art industry, criticism, opinions and it just gets too big and drawn out, so maybe I'll shut up now

Well I voted MI1 and was pretty confident about it. I'm ashamed.

But right... the Switch. I'm buying this on Nintendo Switch. My computer lives in the office where my wife works from home. Also, the computer is old and had issues trying to run Delores, so I'd have doubts about it running any new game. I'm also not eager to jump into the wars of Steam vs. GOG, from what I hear. The Switch version will let my kids and me play together on our big TV. If I like the game and want to replay it, I can do so in bed during the evenings while my wife is on her phone or the TV.

What if… the monkeys in the MI2 intro are actually a whole bunch of monkeys?! Every time they go off screen another pair emerges! 🤯

So does the machine. Yea, I still think it's a possibility.

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Damn things are everywhere! I hope Vainamoinen has a definitive answer to all this! So MI2 there's... the two in the opening credits (missing in the SE). Jojo (appearing nightly). Three in total?

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To be fair, this isn't a case of it being just a product of its time, as it's not being released as it was in 2006. It's a new release brought up to modern standards, so anything that doesn't fit modern sensibilities is fair game to criticize. For example, Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards got (and still does get) a pass for the depiction of the Indian-American clerk selling "lubbers" because it was created in 1987 (and even the first (SCI) remake was released in 1991) so it was a product of it's time. However, when Leisure Suit Larry Reloaded was released in 2013 it was open to fresh criticism about that character, since it was an updated product released to a modern audience. It's the same reason why the Yakuza 3 remaster removed a side quest making fun of a transgender woman. Updated releases need to keep modern sensibilities in mind in a way that straight-up re-releases don't.