Samnmax221 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 As an athiest and a skeptic, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan7 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 well as a christian, the bible says humans are the pinicle of creation. that said the universe is absolutly massive, so i think theyre is life elsewhere, i donno if we will ever meet it, distances being astronomical and all, also while millions of people are starving on earth would it make more sense to use the money spent investigating mars on feeding them? also it does worry me that nasa has beamed out into space the structrure of our dna etc- if something is intelligent enough to understand that... isnt it asking for trouble? if the universe is infinite then there is definatly life out there (big if) - the space out there is infinite, but is the ammount of matter finite? it does boggle the mind thinking about it. the only real way we will ever find out would be if we could use wormhole technology (a bit like stargate) as space propoltion to me, no matter how fast will still take eons. ps. i dont think aliens have been to earth and i think area 51 is just a testing for state of the art military technology and the american government just puts out alien stories as a hoax for why there are strange flying aircraft - does the american government still deny the exsistance of area 51? as on google earth there are runways and hangers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Man Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Believe in aliens? Heck, I work with a bunch of 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkonium Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Yes, there is no way we're alone in the universe. If life can evolve here, then it would have to evolve elsewhere as well. There are three reasons we haven't seen them yet: 1: Because they're not advanced enough. 2: They felt it was unwise to interfere with a less advanced culture. 3: They are here and look the same as us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Believe in aliens? Heck, I work with a bunch of 'em. I live with one. Of course, he could probably argue the reverse. @Cygnus--you Flat Earther, you. Too funny. @Mace--SLC Church Ladies' Muffin club... If the good Lord can make the universe, He can make other creatures to fill it. I've thought for a long time that it's rather arrogant for us to assume we're the only ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimic666 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Correction: 1: Because the humans here are not advanced enough. 2: They felt it is necessary to wait 'til the time is right to make all the Humans feel stupid. 3: They are here and look the same as us. good lord? if they only knew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerec Skywalker Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I personally believe in them because I: a) believe in God and b) believe He would not create an entire universe just for us. I totaly argree with you. Think about it. If you were God, would you have only one little planet with life on it and leave the rest empty? I don't think that they can travel across the galaxy though. If it was possible then they would have landed here and everyone would know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igyman Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 If I were a god, I'd teach humans not to kill each other and to live properly. Why not? Just because no aliens came to Earth doesn't mean they haven't mastered space travel. People have to stop thinking that simply because we are eager to meet other intelligent lifeforms it must imply that they (the aliens) would want it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Well, whatever this God fellow is, he clearly isn't into micromanaging the little critters on THIS rock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 take it easy with the comments, Mace. not all of us are Atheists. but i agree that the critters on this rock are behaing like a$$holes. especially a certain someone staying in the white house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igyman Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 especially a certain someone staying in the white house Oh, man. Don't get me started on that certain someone. Let's just say that I couldn't agree with you more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 you'd better not start, cuz i'll join you and both of us will get banned although, sometimes, i can't help but wonder: what on earth is wrong with that someone? the only logical reason i figure out sometimes is that he may be an alien himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Never said I was an atheist. Just pointing out that God (whatever/whoever/wherever) is obviously leaving it up to the humans to sort out their own affairs, are they are currently making a dog's breakfast out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSR Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 i do believe in other life. seriously, think how damm big space is. and what a waste if it's just us. If this thread reeally gets in the swing i'll start off with some uberlong replies about the germination theory etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediKnight707 Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 You guys who don't believe that aliens haven't visited us are being naive, IMHO. What makes you think that the aliens (assuming they're there) are having such a great time on their planet. Do you really think that they came here just to stick crap up our asses? Did it ever occur to you that maybe they came here (assuming they came here) as an escape? What if our world looks like something out of a fairy tale when compared with theirs? Don't make the assumption that our world is the worst in the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Well 707, ascribing any motivation to aliens being here or coming here is naive. They are by definition alien and therefore their motivations are completely unknown. This is why scientists always seem to assume they're trying to conduct research, the military types see them as a threat who roam around for conquest, and hippie granola-munchers want to believe they'd drop by to spread peace, love and general good vibrations. In the absence of any information regarding why an alien species would make contact with us, they simply project their own desires onto said alien species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igyman Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 You guys who don't believe that aliens haven't visited us are being naive, IMHO. What makes you think that the aliens (assuming they're there) are having such a great time on their planet. Do you really think that they came here just to stick crap up our asses? Did it ever occur to you that maybe they came here (assuming they came here) as an escape? What if our world looks like something out of a fairy tale when compared with theirs? Don't make the assumption that our world is the worst in the universe. Man, are you naive. Don't make the assumption that our world is the best in the universe. @Mace: That's exactly what I was trying to say a few posts back. I'm glad there's at least one person who agrees with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediKnight707 Posted July 16, 2006 Author Share Posted July 16, 2006 I never said that our world was the best, I just don't think that you can assume were the worst. @Mace I personally don't think that they came here for the reasons I said in my earlier post, but I don't think that people should just say that our world is the worst and that any others are automatically better. @igyman How so? Show me some evidence. Here's some evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 "Educational Film #459290: Enlightened Beings of the Universe! Hey there little boys and girls, did you know that aliens really exist? Well they do. Science has proven that over eleventynine billion years intelligent life somewhere in the universe must have evolved to a state capable of space travel. The reason for this is that they have focused all their energy on self advancement instead of wasting time on their petty differences like ignorant humans such as Bush who only want to cause massive physical, social, and ecological damage to hinder our evolution to a higher state of being. If we ever hope to be as progressive as our alien brothers we need to put down our weapons, give each other great big hugs, and start to work towards intergalactic peace. ....This fact based educational film was brought to you by the Atheist's the Universe is Whatever Makes Me Feel Good at the Time Club and the Less Money for Defense/More Fat and Rich Scientists Foundation... Legalize Marijuana and vote lib3|241@$%(^$*^)#)^#)*^.........." "Hey! Get that lighter away from the projector!!!" *Johnny falls to the classroom floor in convulsions of laughter* The idea that all life forms capable of space travel are enlightened monks is pretty freakin annoying and stupid. If they were in complete harmony they wouldn't need to advance their knowledge much past the ability to farm, and construct tambourines and VW minibuses. Think about where our space program would be without the Cold War... If it wasn't for the "World Wars" we'd probably still be using zeppelins as the main mode of passenger transit and planes woud still be wood and fabric. Throughout history one of the main driving forces behind technological advancement was the need to either get the other guy before he gets you, or get there before he does. If there are space faring civilizations out there, they'd probably laugh at our feeble attempts at war, and claims of competitiveness. Dog-Eat-Dog Survival is the most highly accelerated form of progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 ...also' date=' if you subscribe to the now proveable theory of black holes, worm holes and rips in space-time, that opens up the door to possibilities of imagining an infinate number of possibilities for the size of space.[/quote'] Now proveable? If I'm not mistaken (though I could very well be), black wholes were proven to exist years ago. If you're talking about the theory that all black wholes are gateways with a white whole on the other side, then... that has not been proven, and I doubt it will be in our lifetimes. As for wormwholes.... they haven't been proven yet. Neither have 'rips in space-time'. Sounds like I've met another Trekkie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Now, by Trekkie law you must wear red shirts and go to a convention together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igyman Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 The idea that all life forms capable of space travel are enlightened monks is pretty freakin annoying and stupid. If they were in complete harmony they wouldn't need to advance their knowledge much past the ability to farm, and construct tambourines and VW minibuses. Think about where our space program would be without the Cold War... If it wasn't for the "World Wars" we'd probably still be using zeppelins as the main mode of passenger transit and planes woud still be wood and fabric. Throughout history one of the main driving forces behind technological advancement was the need to either get the other guy before he gets you, or get there before he does. If there are space faring civilizations out there, they'd probably laugh at our feeble attempts at war, and claims of competitiveness. Dog-Eat-Dog Survival is the most highly accelerated form of progress. So, basically what you're saying is that war is a good thing and that people should continue to kill each other just so some things would be invented faster??? You'll forgive me if I don't agree. As for the ''aliens who mastered space travel are enlightened monks'', I have no idea who said it, but it certainly wasn't me. What I said was that we shouldn't think that those aliens, whatever they may be like, want to make contact with us as much as we want to make contact with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 So, basically what you're saying is that war is a good thing and that people should continue to kill each other just so some things would be invented faster??? You'll forgive me if I don't agree. I don't think he said it's a good thing, he's just saying that's how it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Well before we start de-railing this thread topic... let's stick to the "Alien" part and leave the war discussion out of it. Feel free to start another thread relating to War being a catalyst for technology advancement.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char Ell Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 As the topic says, do you believe that there are other living, breathing beings in our great universe? I do believe there is life on other planets. On which planets though I have no idea. I just can't accept the idea that human beings are the only highly intelligent life in the universe. What form other life may take though is beyond me. Also FWIW I don't like using the word aliens to describe life that exists beyond the confines of planet Earth. If we were to meet a life form from somewhere else I'm sure they would consider us as much an alien as we would them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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