ATMcashpoint Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) I wasn't talking about using the technique of exporting 3D models to 2D sprites necessarily, just the fact that 3D models were used in the MI2 SE and people didn't complain about that aspect of the art style. People have complained about some of the character designs, but the MI2 SE Guybrush design in particular draws a lot more praise than criticism, and that's probably the most noticeable 3D model. Edited February 21, 2022 by ATMcashpoint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rum Rogers Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I think the point is exactly that instead: exporting 3D models to 2D sprites pretty much makes it full 2D (just with a different starting point). What's concerning about a Tiller CMI remake is it could be using real time 3D models. Anyway I also think the same approach used for MI2:SE wouldn't work with CMI, as the art direction was much clearer (not necessarily better) because technology allowed it in the mid 90s, and it would look totally off and in contradiction to its hardcore cartoon roots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagomorph01 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just don’t replace 2D with 3D. The 2 aren’t interchangeble. You’ll always get a sort of hybrid that sticks out like a sore thumb. (Hence my comparison to the Rescue Rangers trailer.) CMI’s whole look is based on hand drawn animation, and it works because of it. If you want to remaster, use 2D. If you want to remake, build a whole new game and make it fully 3D (or claymation for all I care), but don’t use any of the original assets and reïmagine the whole project from ground up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPeel2001 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) I love CMI's art style, but I still think it's wrongheaded to think it couldn't look absolutely beautiful using 3D... albeit in a total remake kind of capacity. Pixar has shown time and again that you can retain all of the beauty of 2D animation in 3D, provided it's done well. And there's lots of different ways of implementing 3D, too. If you want an example of a beautiful game with 3D characters over 2D background, look no further than my avatar. It's easy to forget that Broken Age featured 3D wired animated models. So again I stress my point: it's all about how it's done. So personally I'm less concerned with the tech and more with how they use it. Of course, if they decided to stick with a pure traditional 2D art style of CMI, and do more of a remaster, I'd be equally as happy... provided it was done well. Basically, whatever route they go: Don't eff it up! Edited February 23, 2022 by ThunderPeel2001 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeGentleman Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) On 2/23/2022 at 2:33 PM, ThunderPeel2001 said: I love CMI's art style, but I still think it's wrongheaded to think it couldn't look absolutely beautiful using 3D... albeit in a total remake kind of capacity. I think we're all pretty much saying the same thing at this point! Also, I'd like to clarify that when I'm talking about a 3D characters/2D background mix, I'm referring to stuff like Grim Fandango (which looked great) where it's actual 3D models moving in 3D space, with 2D background art 'pretending' to be a 3D space behind them (or, I suppose, to games with 3D models rendered out as 2D sprites but with no paintover, though I can't immediately think of an adventure game example of this - something like Rise Of The Robots anyway). Not the 'paint over a 3D model to make a 2D sprite' method of MI2:SE (which I thought was a very ugly game) or the 'rigged 2D planes' of Broken Age (which I thought was gorgeous). Incidentally, here's a good talk on the animation of Broken Age (around 8m10s is a good point to start for exactly where that game lies on the 2D to 3D spectrum): Edited February 26, 2022 by TimeGentleman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATMcashpoint Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 I think some of the motorcycle animations in Full Throttle were 3D models exported as 2D sprites without paintovers. Some of the 3D animations probably did have 2D paintovers, though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look4book Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 On 12/17/2021 at 11:47 PM, ThunderPeel2001 said: For anyone who wants to see the contents of the book (240 pages, officially known as Monkey Island Chronicles), see here: https://www.facebook.com/1436618846/videos/pcb.4398616666933596/437137791466024 (Link may not work? Not sure.) Hello, I am looking for the book! I would pay for it, but there is no chance to adquire... On reddit a guy asked for buy alone, but with no success. Please, could someone tell me what is the group or user that posted that video on fb? It is not reachable now. Or someone can post the image relatives to Monkey Island 2 (my favourite game ever!) Thanks in advance and best regards to all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) If you'd like to update your Anthology box to include RtMI, I've got you covered: Just print them out (300 dpi) and stick them on your box! Get them here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Od7I3bVxuQP3j4N6sEItvwcTRR0qHdWW?usp=sharing Edited April 13, 2022 by Laserschwert 3 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Still needs a version where Escape comes after LeChuck's Revenge ☝️ Seriously though, this is cool Jan! 👏 My goodness, we're getting a brand new Monkey Island. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummbuddy Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Hah! I thought about making a revised sticker for reordering just the five games, but adding in Return is lovely too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMonkey Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) On 4/13/2022 at 6:59 PM, Laserschwert said: If you'd like to update your Anthology box to include RtMI, I've got you covered: Just print them out (300 dpi) and stick them on your box! Get them here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Od7I3bVxuQP3j4N6sEItvwcTRR0qHdWW?usp=sharing I was planning to get them printed out onto an adhesive poster, what is the actual page size I'd need to print them to? Is it just standard A4? Edited April 21, 2022 by OzzieMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) When you print them at 300dpi they'd have the correct size. They are smaller than A4, I think. Can't check right now. Edited April 22, 2022 by Laserschwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterothe Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 It's such a wasted opportunity to not have voodoo dolls ! BTW after having missed the presale you do not want to know how much I paid for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rum Rogers Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Don't tell me you got it for 8 fucking hundred bucks?! I've seen similar prices on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaxx Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 35 minutes ago, Rum Rogers said: Don't tell me you got it for 8 fucking hundred bucks?! Eh, that's only half a video card. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterothe Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Rum Rogers said: Don't tell me you got it for 8 fucking hundred bucks?! I've seen similar prices on eBay. Not that much. 😀 But the original $175 was a steal. Even with tax and postage and errata on the book it's a good deal. Voodoo doll should have been included really! 😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagomorph01 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 I would never pay a scalper for something I really want. When I see ads for scalped items, I always have to convince myself to not leave a nasty message to the person selling. They’re really the scum (one M) of the internet. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rum Rogers Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 (edited) Correct, but I'll admit I'd sell a kidney for the promotional voodoo doll made for MI2:SE. If anyone in here has it and wants a spare kidney, I'm here for you folks. Edited April 23, 2022 by Rum Rogers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterothe Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 On 4/23/2022 at 12:17 PM, Rum Rogers said: Correct, but I'll admit I'd sell a kidney for the promotional voodoo doll made for MI2:SE. If anyone in here has it and wants a spare kidney, I'm here for you folks. They sell it for $850 on ebay cheapest one. Your kidney is worth much more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rum Rogers Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Is it? I wish I didn't have all those drinks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterothe Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Rum Rogers said: Is it? I wish I didn't have all those drinks. How about a drinking contest ? Winner gets the doll! (Need to find near-grog quick) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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