Opinions on Democrats and Republicans

[Ping]

Title says it all, really. What are your opinions on the two main American political parties? I'll list mine:

 

Democrats: Well, they have good ideas (at the moment), but they seem to just be all talk to me, and get very little done. Then again, this is politics, where nothing runs correctly.

 

Republicans: Believe it or not, I actually had more respect for these guys when Bush was in office. This is due to the fact that they seem to disagree with the government on everything unless they have a majority, or have a guy as the president.

 

As you can see, I have negative opinions on both parties.

 

Thoughts? Comments?

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

same **** different piles

[Q]

^Brilliant. I concur.

[Litofsky]

same **** different piles

 

[Ping]

same **** different piles

 

I obviously could not put it any better.

[e-varmint]

Title says it all, really. What are your opinions on the two main American political parties? I'll list mine:

 

Democrats: Well, they have good ideas (at the moment), but they seem to just be all talk to me, and get very little done. Then again, this is politics, where nothing runs correctly.

 

Republicans: Believe it or not, I actually had more respect for these guys when Bush was in office. This is due to the fact that they seem to disagree with the government on everything unless they have a majority, or have a guy as the president.

 

As you can see, I have negative opinions on both parties.

 

Thoughts? Comments?

 

Brazen sociopaths; and

 

Gutless sociopaths.

[JediAthos]

same **** different piles

 

we have a winner Bob tell him what he's won: a lifetime of mud slinging campaign ads, and political rehtoric!!!!

[Trench]

same **** different piles

 

I concur:golfclap:

 

[Lord of Hunger]

Uh...parasites and parasites? I don't see how they are anything other than that. All they do is make promises they obviously won't keep and convince people that they will keep said promises, get people as a result to give them campaign money when they haven't even done much of anything anyway, get elected to office, and then hang out with the elite of this country (corporate executives or political activists, depending on what alignment they pretend to have) in order to get ridiculous amounts of money for breaking their promises.

 

And really, Americans need to stop kidding around and pretending like these guys have any true ideological or moral stance on anything. The Republicans don't believe in turning America into a Fascist Christian Kingdom and the Democrats don't believe in turning America into the Union of American Socialist Republics. They group together into parties and pretend to believe in this Left vs. Right bull**** because it allows them to sell themselves. Bipartisanship is a joke.

 

What would you expect from a system that is not designed to put the best of the best in power? The Founding Fathers wanted to give everyone a chance to be in government. Well, everyone can, but the people who are the best at getting into government are C- students who got through school by cheating and sweet talking their way out of things.

 

They are simply good at lying. Parasites do that all the time.

[Web Rider]

I find Democrats to be to focused on the details, and generally incapable of working together. They've usually got the right ideas at heart, but it gets lost in their attempts to cater to everyone who ever gave them a dollar.

 

Republicans tend to be obstinate and often ignorant to the concerns of others, though this often gives them a great ability for solidarity in their causes, some of which they hold on to for long after they should have been put to rest.

 

Also @LoH, Meritocracy is just another form of dictatorship combined with genocide.

[Nedak]

Both are idiots.

 

I'm proud to be an Independent.

[jonathan7]

same **** different piles

 

I don't think sweeping generalisations ever give a full picture of anything.

 

Both are idiots.

 

I'm proud to be an Independent.

 

My sig about sums up the issue with this; "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." This thinking merely shows the following... (which is a Max Born quote I've amended) "The belief that there is only one truth, and that oneself is in possession of it, and that everyone should think the same under pain of force is the root of all evil in the world”

 

The question is too diverse to give an answer, a lot of my best friends are Americans of either persuasion, there are a lot of nice and nasty people on either side of the divide...

[Darth Avlectus]

I think both parties are hot steaming piles of $%^@.

 

For all their worth, it's really just 2 sides of the same damn coin.

 

Sometimes we all wish at some point we were Vader locking all those scum-sucking weasels in the same room with ourselves while we had a lightsaber and laid waste to them.

 

Republicans: obstinate and selfish. Of late have been short sightedly throwing certain principles of their out the window. Bush was a headache and a disappointment--I'm rightward leaning, and yet I still didn't like him much. "Free Market" has become an excuse to sell your family down the river. Instead of solving a problem, they sit down for it. And that's not all, they don't even let it make them money anymore--disingenuous as it is. In all, have failed and driven their good away.

 

Democrats: Hyper focus on small things and don't care to see the big picture despite their claims. Bickering too much to get anything done. My family has a saying: I could visit my shed for a chill and smoke, come back and still not find any work done. Regarding how they handle it all. Good deas...sometimes, maybe. Maybe not. Disappointed my family some times. Get a little too stir crazy when it comes to discrationary privilege and overboard on regulation to a point of more admin. than actual workers. Lost its "for the little guy" quality a long time ago.

 

I am, however, of the mind that certain, less scrupulous, moderates and bi-partisans are conniving treacherous swines and/or tools. Not all of them, but there are the few who make a bad name for all of them. Those ones I am especially wary of. The rest not so bad; if a bit subjugated for my liking...

 

I am an independent because neither party represents me. I also resonate with those who are of the mind to be fiscally and financially responsible and conservative. Independence (from government and group think; of opinion and thought train) is the American ideal and the spirit of what drives all, even the underachieving, in this country...or at least it once did. It still should in my opinion.

 

same **** different piles

 

I totally concur. Y'know, you have your moments, and I am actually very proud of you in this one. (I can't believe I just said that!)

 

Brazen sociopaths; and

 

Gutless sociopaths.

 

Seconded.

 

Uh...parasites and parasites? I don't see how they are anything other than that. All they do is make promises they obviously won't keep and convince people that they will keep said promises, get people as a result to give them campaign money when they haven't even done much of anything anyway, get elected to office, and then hang out with the elite of this country (corporate executives or political activists, depending on what alignment they pretend to have) in order to get ridiculous amounts of money for breaking their promises.

I think I like you.

 

And really, Americans need to stop kidding around and pretending like these guys have any true ideological or moral stance on anything. The Republicans don't believe in turning America into a Fascist Christian Kingdom

I's THUMP DAH bible!!!

 

and the Democrats don't believe in turning America into the Union of American Socialist Republics.

I thought U.S(ocialist).S.A. was the spin?

 

They group together into parties and pretend to believe in this Left vs. Right bull**** because it allows them to sell themselves. Bipartisanship is a joke.

OR it is the new extreme on the other side of the coin where the 2 extremes meet one another full circle, instead of benign moderate like it claims.

 

What would you expect from a system that is not designed to put the best of the best in power? The Founding Fathers wanted to give everyone a chance to be in government. Well, everyone can, but the people who are the best at getting into government are C- students who got through school by cheating and sweet talking their way out of things.

 

They are simply good at lying. Parasites do that all the time.

 

QFET

 

I find Democrats to be to focused on the details, and generally incapable of working together. They've usually got the right ideas at heart, but it gets lost in their attempts to cater to everyone who ever gave them a dollar.

 

Republicans tend to be obstinate and often ignorant to the concerns of others, though this often gives them a great ability for solidarity in their causes, some of which they hold on to for long after they should have been put to rest.

Fair enough I guess.

 

Also @LoH, Meritocracy is just another form of dictatorship combined with genocide.

 

Hmm. Hadn't thought of quality control *quite* like that. I understand how it could be that way. But I'm not sure I 100% agree here. Interesting. Mediocrity seems to be part of the problems we face today does it not?

 

Both are idiots.

 

I'm proud to be an Independent.

 

Here here. Nothin' wrong there, even if we disagree. That's the wonderful thing about America: we can disagree and still live alongside each other. I respect you have an opinion especially that it is of your own.

 

I don't think sweeping generalisations ever give a full picture of anything.

 

Maybe not, but c'mon, you'd have to admit it is at least representative of the resounding palpable feeling that we're tiring of it all.

 

My sig about sums up the issue with this; "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." This thinking merely shows the following... (which is a Max Born quote I've amended) "The belief that there is only one truth, and that oneself is in possession of it, and that everyone should think the same under pain of force is the root of all evil in the world”

 

Often that starts out as one wanting to identify with/belong to something. I'm not sure why so many feel that way but it is how group-think starts.

 

The question is too diverse to give an answer, a lot of my best friends are Americans of either persuasion, there are a lot of nice and nasty people on either side of the divide...

 

Respectable. There are times I meet extremists who make me wonder how much harm they are doing their side as opposed to the good they think they are doing. Alas, that is life and we have to play the cards we're dealt. <sigh> How anyone reasonable maintains faith in their side and continues to do so is beyond me.

[e-varmint]

 

I am an independent because neither party represents me. I also resonate with those who are of the mind to be fiscally and financially responsible and conservative. Independence (from government and group think; of opinion and thought train) is the American ideal and the spirit of what drives all, even the underachieving, in this country...or at least it once did. It still should in my opinion.

 

Abso-Snarkin'-lutely!!!!

 

And you're not a jerk.

[Jae Onasi]

I vote for whoever I think will do the best job, regardless of party affiliation. The party name has about as much meaning for me as it does for Arlen Specter.

[Godric Volturi]

I vote for whoever I think will do the best job, regardless of party affiliation. The party name has about as much meaning for me as it does for Arlen Specter.

 

 

*is in agreement, that is if I could vote*

Mostly I campaign for the Republicans because they agree with the majority of my beliefs, however, the Democrats do have quite a few good ideas... (minus what Obama has in store for us now... heh... that man scares me O.O)

[ForeverNight]

I vote for whoever I think will do the best job, regardless of party affiliation. The party name has about as much meaning for me as it does for Arlen Specter.

 

IIRC, the man was a bit of a RINO anyway.

 

As for me:

 

Republicans: They totally blew it at the election, and since then have been fighting a loosing battle and making themselves look like total d-bags in the process. The fringe extremists, quite frankly, scare me.... but so do the Dem's

 

Democrats: I'll admit my bias right here, I'm very much to the right as it is right now, so I rarely agree with the Dem's. I think that they're pushing for too much, too soon and it's hurting their mission. My opinion of them was damaged severely during Iraq and Afghanistan where it seemed they were only too eager to say: "I told you so!"

 

My biggest issue with the GOP is that they're jumping the gun on things and -surprise, surprise- getting things wrong, and making it 'bad' to be a Rightist.

 

My biggest issue with the Dem's is that they just can't seem to remember that there's a recession going on -despite how often they say it is- and are spending money faster then the entire crew of the USS Nimitz on Shore Leave... in a gambling/drinking town.

 

Basically: They both need to get their respective acts together and start acting like adults instead of kids on the playground.

[Web Rider]

Hmm. Hadn't thought of quality control *quite* like that. I understand how it could be that way. But I'm not sure I 100% agree here. Interesting. Mediocrity seems to be part of the problems we face today does it not?

Of course it is, but Meritocracy doesn't seek to solve mediocrity. It simply avoids it to put "the best" in charge. "The best" usually being defined by some horribly abstract decisions or one of those number-crunching scientific algorithms that doesn't take anything about humanity into account beyond the numbers.

 

Eventually, once you've got the "the best" in charge at the top, you'll get them in charge everywhere. In a drive to maintain this system, the "not-best" will be barred from competing, and eventually, from being able to even find a job. At this point you've got a whole lot of "excess" people, who society has forced out and has no need for, they'll either die off or be killed off.

 

In the end leaving you with a new monarchy of people who weren't but in by divine right, but by some abstract decision that they were "the best". In theory a meritocracy can work, but it needs MASSIVE controls to keep it from becoming ugly. Because if "Joe Public" isn't one of "the best", why are "the best" he put in charge going to listen to him?

[urluckyday]

I think the creators of South Park have the same opinion I do

 

They said something like this:

"We don't like republicans...but we reaaaaally don't like democrats"

 

I'm a republican, but I don't conform to the "rubber-stamping" mentality that members of both parties to partake in. I make my own decisions of right/wrong no matter what the rest of the party believes in.

[Bimmerman]

Democrats want to take my money and give it to someone who hasn't earned it.

 

Republicans are hateful spiteful bigots.

 

No, I don't like either party, and I vote for whoever appeals to me most come election day.

[Lord of Hunger]

Democrats want to take my money and give it to someone who hasn't earned it.

Or rather they pretend to take your money and give it to someone who hasn't earned it when they really just give it to themselves.

Republicans are hateful spiteful bigots.

Or rather they pretend to be hateful spiteful bigots when they are actually part of the same unnecessary class of parasites that their "opponents" belong to.

 

You know, I don't think the Democrats or Republicans hate each other at all. When they're together behind closed doors they are probably congratulating each other on how successful they have been at manipulating the tax payers and gleefully laughing at how manipulate-able the tax payers are.

No, I don't like either party, and I vote for whoever appeals to me most come election day.

But that's the problem isn't it? If people keep voting for either party, what changes? Hell, I disagree with the Green Party on some of their views, but I'd rather have them hold every seat in Congress and the White House than see a single Democrat or Republican having any influence on our nation's policies.

 

My advice to America: Either vote third party or do not vote at all. The latter would actually be awesome if only about 11% of Americans did vote. I hope someday it happens: Force apathy is awesome to watch.

[CommanderQ]

same **** different piles

 

I concur. You have gained a lot of awesome points from that statement:D

 

I vote for whoever I think will do the best job, regardless of party affiliation. The party name has about as much meaning for me as it does for Arlen Specter.

 

I hold the same opinion, party doesn't always matter if the candidate is able and willing to get the job done, and done well. Still, I do have my opinions on how that job should be done, but if the person has what it takes and has demonstrated their ability, I'd probably vote for them despite small differences of opinion.

 

Right now, though, both Republicans and Democrats seem a bit extreme, I cannot agree 100% with the things they say sometimes, we need more centrists:D

[Darth Avlectus]

I vote for whoever I think will do the best job, regardless of party affiliation. The party name has about as much meaning for me as it does for Arlen Specter.

O' the irony! That was pretty good. You made my day.

 

Of course it is, but Meritocracy doesn't seek to solve mediocrity. It simply avoids it to put "the best" in charge. "The best" usually being defined by some horribly abstract decisions or one of those number-crunching scientific algorithms that doesn't take anything about humanity into account beyond the numbers.

Hmm. That is very true, you're right. Standards are not all encompassing or all seeing, so they could not hope to cover every circumstance--my own life growing up is evidence of this.

 

Eventually, once you've got the "the best" in charge at the top, you'll get them in charge everywhere. In a drive to maintain this system, the "not-best" will be barred from competing, and eventually, from being able to even find a job. At this point you've got a whole lot of "excess" people, who society has forced out and has no need for, they'll either die off or be killed off.

 

I can see how that could become reality but not sure how it necessarily does... Then again, I guess I need only look to history or just simply examples of theocracy, or something that runs like a penitentiary. I'm trying to more fully comprehend this, and I do think I get what you're saying but I just can't seem to put my thumb on it. Still the gist of it is "best" in one way may not be telling of the whole story otherwise. Unless I'm missing something...

 

In the end leaving you with a new monarchy of people who weren't but in by divine right, but by some abstract decision that they were "the best".

Ah. That helps. I guess a specific standard misses many things in a broader picture. Which I do know to be true.

 

In theory a meritocracy can work, but it needs MASSIVE controls to keep it from becoming ugly. Because if "Joe Public" isn't one of "the best", why are "the best" he put in charge going to listen to him?

True. Probably not. Also, too much regulation and bureaucracy steps on itself aside from being just plain unwieldy and obstructive to be functional in a practical sense--as much we've both discussed here on LF numerous times.

 

As usual, great points. You have given me something to think about. Possibly a way to refine my thinking. Thanks.

 

Or rather they pretend to take your money and give it to someone who hasn't earned it when they really just give it to themselves.

 

Which I believe to be the case more often than not, unfortunately.

 

Or rather they pretend to be hateful spiteful bigots when they are actually part of the same unnecessary class of parasites that their "opponents" belong to.

 

I've long suspected there is a connection between RINO and DINO--their similarities are too much in common. Most people see that as "Oh, so they are similar and bipartisan--GOOD!" But the thing here is that anything (even bipartisanship) could be "elitized". Not sure if it makes sense to any of you out there, but it makes sense to me.

 

In other words there are genuine bipartisan folks and there are elitist bipartisan folks. The latter of course are the ones to look out for.

 

Then there are moderates which are okay, save the fact that when they vote for the better of two, "better" may merely be an appearance which could be deceiving. The more extreme of any two could be that. (Not to say moderates are full of vanity!)

 

You know, I don't think the Democrats or Republicans hate each other at all. When they're together behind closed doors they are probably congratulating each other on how successful they have been at manipulating the tax payers and gleefully laughing at how manipulate-able the tax payers are.

I could understand why people would think that.

 

But that's the problem isn't it? If people keep voting for either party, what changes? Hell, I disagree with the Green Party on some of their views, but I'd rather have them hold every seat in Congress and the White House than see a single Democrat or Republican having any influence on our nation's policies.

 

My advice to America: Either vote third party or do not vote at all. The latter would actually be awesome if only about 11% of Americans did vote. I hope someday it happens: Force apathy is awesome to watch.

 

Well, we've tried to insert a 3rd party into mainstream and it gets shut down every time either by being completely ignored, sabotaged anonymously, or retaliated against in some way. Or as I have noticed, CNN took the whole "independent party" theme and touted it and tweaked it in their image. This last election, calling themselves "The source for independents". So the media relegated the wildcards to being "left" when in reality independents are all over the board. How insulting.

 

Most influential people seem to think they can "fix" the two party system and ridicule/berate/condescend any of their adoring fans or anyone who would *dare* suggest a third party.

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

I don't think sweeping generalisations ever give a full picture of anything.

 

this is revolutionary. but oh wait, the thread is about groups of people with similar ideals and making generalizations is inherent in the discussion. hang on lemme throw in vague references to friends who have political opinions and some quotes so i can avoid answering the question i forgot this is kavar's.

[Te Je'karta Mand'alor]

most democrats are insane. most republicans aren't.

enev though i prefer republicans i am indipendent