JediKnight707 Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 The title says it all. Are you guys for abortion or not? I'm pro-choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 There's already a thread for this in the Senate Chambers, butI'll post my opinion again. I'm for abortion. I think it should the woman's choice if she wants to expel a several-pound object from between her elgs. Politicians shouldn't get to decide what people do with their bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I'm for abortion as a medical emergency option, or other extreme cases (rape, ect). I'm not for abortion as a contraceptive. Someone gets knocked up, that's their fault for partaking in an activity that could get them pregnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 same reasons as phreak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I'm for abortion as a medical emergency option, or other extreme cases (rape, ect). I'm not for abortion as a contraceptive. Someone gets knocked up, that's their fault for partaking in an activity that could get them pregnant. agreed whole-heartedly. and so it's said: keep things civil. this is the only warning that i'm handing out in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmerman Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 For it wholeheartedly, as it's a woman's choice. however, there's something else i see going on with this issue, and that is the debate is mainly carried by male politicians. which is the opposite of what it should be. we can't get pregnant, so why should we be forcing our views(right or wrong) on others? why does our opinion matter in the slightest? just my 02 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I'm for abortion as a medical emergency option, or other extreme cases (rape, ect). I'm not for abortion as a contraceptive. Someone gets knocked up, that's their fault for partaking in an activity that could get them pregnant. Basically what he said. And maybe a little more. That phrase, "it's her body, she gets to choose" has always rankled me a bit. Yes, I understand that the fetus is dependent on her, but it will grow into an entirely separate entity on its own, if given the chance. There's just something about snuffing out that opportunity that just doesn't sit well with me. To end that life, just because you didn't have your partner wear a condom...it's just so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 Bah, this place is becoming a second Senate. Anyways... The poll in this thread is not set up right. There are gray areas in this. Some people want abortion to be legal only in cases of rape or incest. Some people want abortion to be legal only if it's within a certain time period. Others want to see abortion legal but partial-birth abortion banned. Etc. I don't think that you can really do a poll on this, because there are so many different views. I'm somewhere in the "yes it should be legal but extremely limited" catagory. Some states have - or at least are trying to - make it so a minor must either notify their parents or get their consent before getting an abortion, or must notify or get the consent of their parter before getting an abortion. I'd probably be in favor of those kinds of initiatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igyman Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I'm all for it. The option has to be there. I would never force someone to do it, but I think that abortion isn't a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 The poll in this thread is not set up right. There are gray areas in this.Yesh. To end that life, just because you didn't have your partner wear a condom...it's just so wrong.There are tonnes of reasons to have abortions. Failing to use protection is just one of many. I'm for abortion because banning them is not the answer. Statistically, bans don't do anything, they just make the abortions that are made (by throwing yourself down flights of stairs or going to illegal clinics, for example) far more lethal than they already are. The answer, if you ask me, is to prevent pregnancies in the first place (by helping the Red Cross provide free condoms to whoever wants them, for example) and make the alternatives (giving the kid up for adoption or keeping it) more viable to the parent(s). Another way to decrease the number of abortions is to get more of the 100 000 kids in the US who await adoption out of those orphanages and foster homes. Cutting that idiotic mythology-and-bigotry-induced ban on adoption by homosexual couples should contribute nicely. Out of interest - some Senate threads: Abortion Partial-birth abortion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 Against. I believe that it counts as murder and I think it haunts the mother (Possibly the father too) for the rest of his/her life. The only time Abortion should be allowed is if their is something wrong with the baby inside (Like deformed, etc). People should protect themselves with Conddoms, etc, to prevent accidents like this happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I'm for abortion as a medical emergency option, or other extreme cases (rape, ect). I'm not for abortion as a contraceptive. Someone gets knocked up, that's their fault for partaking in an activity that could get them pregnant. the debate is mainly carried by male politicians. which is the opposite of what it should be. we can't get pregnant, so why should we be forcing our views(right or wrong) on others? why does our opinion matter in the slightest? These two said everything I would have said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 Against. I believe that it counts as murder. The only time Abortion should be allowed is if their is something wrong with the baby inside (Like deformed, etc). So basically you think murdering someone or something is fine as long as it's not "normal". Genocide much? Anyway, me, I'm for the right to abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lantzen Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 Im for abortion, but then you should do it really early in the pregancy. Not wait for maybe two months or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I don't condone frivolous abortions, but generally speaking I'm not against the concept of abortion as a whole. A woman should have it in her power to make the decision weather or not she wants to abort her pregnancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I'm all for it. Women should be able to decide what they do with their bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 Im for abortion, but then you should do it really early in the pregancy. Not wait for maybe two months or something. Same here. When exactly does abortion cross the line from "getting rid of that mass of cells in your womb", to "killing an unborn child"? I say, let a woman abort her pregnancy if it's very soon after conception. But, like some others have stated, I am just a guy, so whatever. *waits for Jae to say something* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick5770 Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I'm for abortion as a medical emergency option, or other extreme cases (rape, ect). I'm not for abortion as a contraceptive. Someone gets knocked up, that's their fault for partaking in an activity that could get them pregnant. Same here. If you get raped, you shouldn't be forced to have the kid, but if you decide to get laid and you don't take precautionary measures, thats your fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallucination Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I'm for it, but I'd like to see some more education and responsibility on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I'm against it, unless it's in cases of rape or if having the baby will harm the woman. I believe that even as an embryo, it's still a human being because everything needed to grow into a child is present at conception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 It depends completely on when you believe life begins. If you believe life begins at conception, then it's the ruthless murder of the innocent for the sake of convenience. If you believe that life begins at birth, then it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 Against. I believe that it counts as murder and I think it haunts the mother (Possibly the father too) for the rest of his/her life. The only time Abortion should be allowed is if their is something wrong with the baby inside (Like deformed, etc). People should protect themselves with Conddoms, etc, to prevent accidents like this happening. Wow. Couldn't disagree more. Don't you think they'd be 'haunted' more by the knowledge that they had a baby when they weren't ready, or if the mother was raped or something? Would you want a sibling who was the result of your mother being raped? Sithy covered the rest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 Wow. Couldn't disagree more. Don't you think they'd be 'haunted' more by the knowledge that they had a baby when they weren't ready, or if the mother was raped or something? Would you want a sibling who was the result of your mother being raped? Sithy covered the rest... I wouldn't say they would be 'haunted' at all really, but it really depends on the person. Remember that teens can always put their child up for adoption if they aren't ready for a child or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samnmax221 Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I do find late-term abortions to be a bit asinine, that is of course if you had no choice, but it's your body and it's your choice ultimately. Although I find late-term abortions asinine, they are in no way nearly as asinine as some jerk who thinks his god gives him a right to blow up an abortion clinic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 This is one of those issues where what's legal, what's moral, what's ethical, what's doable with current medical science, and what I've experienced having birthed some kids all collide and make one nasty little problem for me to try to resolve. I find it an incredibly difficult issue and I struggle with it. The legal issue: obviously, it's legal through the entire pregnancy. I'm following the changes some states are enacting with great interest. The moral issue: My particular church, and I, believe life begins at conception. They are opposed to abortion. However, at least instead of just saying they're against it, they channel it into something positive. Our church has a pregnancy care center that is one of our missions so we help support it financially and with items (we have a diaper drive going currently), and give the care center space to hold classes to orient new volunteers. The ethical issue: We've done a marvelous job of dealing with the ethics for women's rights. We've done a sucky job at looking at the ethics of the baby's rights. Since women vote and babies don't, there's a bit of a bias in politicians going with whatever a lot of women want. The medical science issue: We can and do save babies born as early as 21-22 weeks gestation (normal is 40 weeks). That's very early, and some of these kids are going to have life-long problems. There's no substitute for the bun baking in the oven for the proper amount of time. It's just really hard for me to know that in 1 delivery room, a mom who went into premature labor is delivering her 24 week gestation infant that she's going to fight to save, while in the next room the doc's aborting a perfectly normal 40 week gestation infant because the mom elected to have an abortion at that time (admittedly very rare). There's just something wrong with that picture. The medical tests are not fool-proof. You can have an abnormal alpha-fetoprotein test and have a completely normal baby (happens with some frequency, including to one of my friends). If there's a serious problem confirmed by chorionic villus sampling (which can be done very early) or amniocentesis, however, I view that as far more accurate because those are more accurate tests. What I've experienced: Unless you're in a coma, have problems with mental faculties (e.g. mentally retarded, actively psychotic, etc.) or are in complete denial, it's impossible to miss the fact that you're pregnant. I don't buy the stories of 9 month pregnant women giving birth and being surprised about it, unless they fit into one of the categories above. You cannot miss a baby's kick or movements, especially when he decides to stick his foot in between your ribs and then stretch out as far as he can go or he starts hiccuping. The rape/incest thing--those are similar issues, but the outcomes can be different because of the genetic problems that can be created by incest. I would caution people that thinking the child of a rape encounter is bad. That's a big assumption. That child may actually turn out to be a blessing. If I was in that situation, I'd probably carry that baby, because I know how I feel about the little miracles that babies truly are. When the child was born, I wouldn't be looking at him/her as 'the product of a rape' but as 'a blessing out of a bad event'. It's not the baby's fault the rape occured. When I look at my kids, I don't consciously think 'this is a product of an encounter with my husband', either. I just look at them as my kids. So, what it all boils down to for me: a. I couldn't personally have an abortion. b. I can live with people having abortions for rape/incest reasons. c. I despise the use of abortion as a means of repeated birth control. I understand a mistake happening once. After that, you know better. All ethics aside, it's bad for the woman to do this repeatedly, and it's a whole lot more expensive than the birth control pill. d. I oppose late term abortions, especially the partial birth abortion option, which I think is just barbaric. Just have the poor kid and give it up for adoption if you're going to do that. e. I can live with women having abortions up through about week 20-22, where viability starts to come into play. I don't like it, but I can live with it. You know well that you're pregnant by week 20. I would like to see more emphasis on alternative options being offered and much better adoption laws, however. f. I am opposed to any abortions being done without parental consent, or in those cases of incest or extreme abuse situations, without a court-appointed guardian's consent. Abortion is a surgical procedure. It is not risk-free--there are possible short-term and long-term effects. I don't want someone touching my daughter without me knowing it. My thoughts for the moment. This is long enough and I have to run to have dinner with some friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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