DarthJebus05 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 If you have the time, watch these before reading: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ecTE6lXI-m0 http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gZUzFYwZlXA&feature=related ** Now, I don't believe the world will end. Due to a few reasons: -The prophecies could have been forged. Since the people who made them and told everyone, will obviously wouldn't be around in 2012. -The calendar mentioned at the start of the first video might not have been completed. -Jesus is meant to come back and save us someday? Will he stop this supposed Doom Day? I admit that I don't know much about Jesus, as I'm not catholic. -There were a lot of wars back in the ancient days, so it wouldn't be a stretch to say there will be war during 2012. -People who read her prophecies, such as Emperor Constantine, his parents could have named him that because of the prophecy. What do you guys think? Do you think the world will end? Or a load of nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravnas Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Well if you mean if we believe resources will become non-existent and we'll all die of starvation, or if The sun goes supernova or if the Klingons show up then yes I do believe the world is going to end but not in the context of this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 ... I don't know much about Jesus, as I'm not catholic. You assume that Catholics know much about Jesus. But seriously, I think its a bunch of hokus-pokus. Sure, there will be a time when our world will come tumbling down, but I doubt anyone knows for sure when that will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 From what I'm given to understand about these Mayan Calendars, December 21st, 2012, is just the end of their 12th 'Baktun', and beginning of their 13th. I'm frankly more concerned about June 6th, 2066, at 6:56 AM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthJebus05 Posted May 6, 2008 Author Share Posted May 6, 2008 I also heard from a friend just before, that Jehovah Witnesses predicted a apocalypse sometime in 1977. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztalker Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Imo, If you believe in a god...you believe in his/her/it's mercy and your connection with said god. Not that the god will destroy you. At least, I think of it that way. Faith can support you, you have someone to talk too. Something to give you meaning in life. And paranoia talk of destroying the world is NOT that. I respect every faith out there, but again imo, it goes against the...fundament of faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McTitan Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 This doomsday thing is just like the millenium bug. people just KNEW it would happen and claimed to have proof. but when the year turned 2000 nothing happened! that's why I don't believe prophecies. but it's fun to see people make a shelter or so for what is supposed to happen december 21st 2012. but don't misunderstand me I do respect them and their beliefs, I just don't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I also heard from a friend just before, that Jehovah Witnesses predicted a apocalypse sometime in 1977. Yeah, they predict the apocalypse every now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcesious Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Prophecies are never neccessarily true unless if they really happen. Therwe is no solid-enough proof that this will happen, because it hasn't happened yet, so it's impossible to be sure that it will happen. Unless if scientists are able to prove that it will undoubtedly happen using all those massively complex mathematical equations... Edit: A lot of these people back then also beleived in a flat earth and the geocentric theory... So, that pretty much makes msot of them not very creditable as scientists... Edit: This is hilarious, which I found searching the web... http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I think all it means is that particular Mayan calendar ends and a new one begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 If it ends, it better end in a cool way. But think about it, we're all going to die anyways.. If the world ends (not saying I want it to happen AT ALL) at least you died on an epic day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCarter426 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 This is hilarious, which I found searching the web... http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm Anyway, regarding 12/21/12...I don't believe it. Not one word of it. All of these "prophecies" are eerily similar, yes, but one has to remember that the same civilizations' accounts of the past are eerily similar as well; every civilization has a flood story, and they all have a doomsday. It's just a coincidence that they appear to be on the same day (I say "appear" because there's no evidence that the I Ching or Revelations actually set that date as a doomsday). And even the ones that do are just coincidence, which actually is common (it's called clustering). So don't worry, people. Actually, there is one thing I'm worried about--the polar shift, which actually has more substance behind it than some "prophecy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Doomsday - December 21st 2012[/Quote] Well that is going to put a damper on the Christmas holiday. On the bright side I guess I don’t need to do my Christmas shopping come 2012. If you believe in God, then you have no way to predict the end, at least according to the Bible. If you don’t believe in God then you have no way to predict the end without some type of evidence. I have enough to worry about without filling my mind with thing outside of my control. I'm frankly more concerned about June 6th, 2066, at 6:56 AM.I'm not. Either I will already be taking a dirt nap or too old to care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRogueForums Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 Right. Got this idea from a thread that started to veer slightly off-topic. 2012. A year in the minds of pretty much every conspiracy theorist, alarmist, and quite a few other people. From the wiki: 2012 is claimed by some with New age beliefs to be a great year of spiritual transformation (or alternatively an apocalypse). There is disagreement among believers whether 2012 will see an end of civilization, or humanity will be elevated to a higher level. Many esoteric sources interpret the completion of the thirteenth B'ak'tun cycle in the Long Count of the Maya calendar (which occurs on December 21 by the most widely held correlation) to mean there will be a major change in world order. Astrologer John Jenkins has asserted that on this date, there will be "an extremely close conjunction of the northern hemisphere winter solstice sun with the crossing point of the Galactic equator and the ecliptic", an event that will not be repeated for thousands of years. Several authors have published works which claim that a major, world-changing event will take place in 2012: * The 1997 book The Bible Code by Michael Drosnin claims that, according to certain algorithms of the Bible code, an asteroid or comet will collide with the Earth. * The 2006 book 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck discusses theories of a possible global awakening to psychic connection by the year 2012, creating a noosphere. * Riley Martin claims that Biaviian aliens will allow passage aboard their 'Great Mother Ship' when the Earth is 'transformed' in 2012. * Terence McKenna's numerological novelty theory suggests a point of singularity in which humankind will go through a great shift in consciousness. So, what are your thoughts on the year of fear? Will 2012 bring death and destruction, or usher in a new era of peace and tranquility? Is it prophesy? Divine Fate? Self-fulfilling Prophesy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanir Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 I've had this discussion before on another website. A dedicated research into the Mayan calendar, which is the source of these assertions displays quite clearly no particular significance to the year. That would seem quite logical since the Mayan calendar's palaeontological significance is the sheer amount of math involved, which was previously thought inconceivable among ancient civilisations. Similar consideration for Egyptian construction-engineering excludes any necessity for extra-terrestrial influences in pyramid construction. These observations disappoint the overly imaginative perhaps, although strictly speaking such flights of spiritualist and new age fantasy are really grounded in arrogance towards the scientific and academic understanding of past civilisations. The Mayan calendar is constructed amid a series of cycles which are seasonally, lunar and solar based and highly accurate, more accurate than ours. They didn't need leap years or periodic adjustments. But it takes a lot of effort, a great deal of math to make one calendar cycle and each must be calculated individually. What is most likely is this: being that spending all the time to calculate thirteen total cycles covered not only some period of centuries into Mayan history but also millenia into the future, and this feat probably took a few years by dedicated high priests to accomplish, it was probably thought that simply no more than thirteen would ever be needed. If it were, if the civilisation continued millenia in the future, another thousand years worth of calendars could be calculated then. That's the significance of 2012. A wonton misinterpretation by excitable anti-academics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommycat Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 I've had this discussion before on another website. A dedicated research into the Mayan calendar, which is the source of these assertions displays quite clearly no particular significance to the year. That would seem quite logical since the Mayan calendar's palaeontological significance is the sheer amount of math involved, which was previously thought inconceivable among ancient civilisations. Similar consideration for Egyptian construction-engineering excludes any necessity for extra-terrestrial influences in pyramid construction. These observations disappoint the overly imaginative perhaps, although strictly speaking such flights of spiritualist and new age fantasy are really grounded in arrogance towards the scientific and academic understanding of past civilisations. The Mayan calendar is constructed amid a series of cycles which are seasonally, lunar and solar based and highly accurate, more accurate than ours. They didn't need leap years or periodic adjustments. But it takes a lot of effort, a great deal of math to make one calendar cycle and each must be calculated individually. What is most likely is this: being that spending all the time to calculate thirteen total cycles covered not only some period of centuries into Mayan history but also millenia into the future, and this feat probably took a few years by dedicated high priests to accomplish, it was probably thought that simply no more than thirteen would ever be needed. If it were, if the civilisation continued millenia in the future, another thousand years worth of calendars could be calculated then. That's the significance of 2012. A wonton misinterpretation by excitable anti-academics. Yeah but it sounds cooler to say "Aliens helped them" or "They're predicting the future" than to say "they were better at math than we thought." At least to the general public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanir Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 I know. And thus we lose the lessons of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommycat Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 I know. And thus we lose the lessons of the past. yeah, but lets face it, the erality of it just isn't flashy enough for the general public to take in. You can't make cool flashy hollywood movies about people being good at math(notes 21)... er... about ancient people being good at math... Add in aliens and/or the end of the world... Popcorn sells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 2012. A year in the minds of pretty much every conspiracy theorist, alarmist That should be enough for people not to take it seriously. So, what are your thoughts on the year of fear? Will 2012 bring death and destruction, or usher in a new era of peace and tranquility? Is it prophesy? Divine Fate? Self-fulfilling Prophesy? Apart from it being the year of the next Olympics, I don't see anything to be worried about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan7 Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 Apart from it being the year of the next Olympics, I don't see anything to be worried about. Nothing to worry apart from the fact we are all going to die as the Terminators will have there judgement day!!!!!!!!!! Joking More seriously, if you take the Bible seriously (some of you will, some of you won't), it says even Jesus doesn't know when the second coming is happening, and that God won't cause a mass extinction of human beings again. Personally I don't see any doom in 2012, apart from all other sports teams being doomed by Britain, being top of the Medals table at the Olympics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrrtoken Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 Nowhere in most of the Mayan inscriptions does it strictly say that 2012 would be the end of the world. That's more or less the interpretation of conspiracy theorists. To the Mayans, the end of each baktun, or long count cycle, was a time of great jubilation, not something to be feared. Additionally, there have even been dates that went beyond the last baktun, so that does show that at least some Mayan did not believe that 2012 was the end of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderWiggin Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=188530 Merged threads -- j7 _EW_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredi Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 I dont belive the world will end soon, so I'm cool. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawathehutt Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 I'm making $400 on that day from various friends who apparently haven't figured out that if we all die I don't have to pay them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRogueForums Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 That's actually a good idea. I might try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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